tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post5070462675234082932..comments2024-03-26T10:25:51.519-03:00Comments on Valter Pomar: Resposta a Miguel do RosárioUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-80436818192185161482018-05-15T18:39:04.505-03:002018-05-15T18:39:04.505-03:00Agora o Miguel está sendo agressivo. Estou chocada...Agora o Miguel está sendo agressivo. Estou chocada!Anahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05742171327602935061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-13149778600390370662018-05-15T16:27:45.575-03:002018-05-15T16:27:45.575-03:00
Quando cercar o inimigo, deixe uma saída para e...<br /><br />Quando cercar o inimigo, deixe uma saída para ele, caso contrário, ele lutará até a morte.<br /><br />Sun Tzu<br /><br />A saida p que evitemos de lutar e fujamos é Ciro Boulos e Manoela. Se eles vierem a representar algum risco ao Golpe serao presos tambem.MARIO FONTEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11710329066138757954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-90121780397518131552018-05-15T16:26:20.296-03:002018-05-15T16:26:20.296-03:00
Quando cercar o inimigo, deixe uma saída para e...<br /><br />Quando cercar o inimigo, deixe uma saída para ele, caso contrário, ele lutará até a morte.<br /><br />Sun Tzu<br /><br />A saida p que evitemos de lutar e fujamos é Ciro Boulos e Manoela. Se eles vierem a representar algum risco ao Golpe serao presos tambem.MARIO FONTEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11710329066138757954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-76777423066228799832018-05-15T16:12:21.070-03:002018-05-15T16:12:21.070-03:00Se Ciro, Boulos ou Manuela representassem algum ri...Se Ciro, Boulos ou Manuela representassem algum risco p o Golpe e a entrega do Brasil, eles já estariam presos também. Simples assim.MARIO FONTEShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11710329066138757954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-63401439280782801232018-05-12T12:41:30.222-03:002018-05-12T12:41:30.222-03:00Miguel do Rosário vem vacilando quanto a defesa d...Miguel do Rosário vem vacilando quanto a defesa do Lula de A a Z, um dia Haddad, outro Wagner, agora defende Ciro. Esta opção de apoiar Ciro é ruim mesmo se considerarmos que que PT pode "ganhar a vice presidência", pois Rosário parte da premissa que Ciro tem chance de ganhar. Vamos aos fatos, desde de que começaram as pesquisas Ciro fica nos 5%, e quem ganharia com a sua improvisabilíssima vitória, certamente não seriam os 50 milhões pessoas que estão abaixo da linha da pobreza, segundo nova métrica do banco mundial, para países de renda média como o Brasil, os pobres são aqueles que ganham 5,5 dólares por dia? Por outro lado o que Ciro ganha com o apoio do PT, e sobretudo Wagner, votos muitos votos devido à popularidade do PT na Bahia? Até pela lógica formal o apoio irrestrito ao "candidatíssimo" Lula, é o único cominho para derrotar o golpe e fortalecer o movimento popular.Cristina Borgeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06067841874173884400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-21901689278409670772018-05-05T23:26:52.827-03:002018-05-05T23:26:52.827-03:00Cont:
7. 'Non-reversal of the coup would nec...Cont: <br /><br />7. 'Non-reversal of the coup would necessitate a new left strategy.' This I cannot believe. Think about it. The strategy of the left has been so abysmal that it has led us to this and whether or not we need a new strategy will depend solely on whether or not Lula is allowed to stand in the 2018 Presidential elections. This means, in effect, that if Lula is allowed to stand, the left needs no new strategy and can carry on as normal, back to the same status quo that led it to the mess it is in. No, the working class needs new leadership and new strategy, period.<br /><br />8. The educational opportunity this political period opens up for revolutionaries is one in which every effort must be made to expose the contemptible bourgeois democracy for the class hypocrisy it really is. Nothing less than absolute and unconditional dedication to that task will do. This entails running in elections precisely in order both to denounce the whole set up and to offer a truly democratic class alternative. What is demanded today is precisely another coup, but a coup of the working class against the system of their oppression.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431764444700058232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-66070574573000215532018-05-05T23:26:16.200-03:002018-05-05T23:26:16.200-03:00Cont:
4. "No illusion in victory?" Agai...Cont:<br /><br />4. "No illusion in victory?" Again, are we not entertaining the illusion that an imprisoned Lula would win the Presidency? It is one thing for him to have 50% support in the abstract but when people go out to vote are they really, at that moment, ready to vote for a man who will not be able to take office? I'm not saying they will not but neither am I ready to fall into any "illusion in victory" that they would. If 'victory' is an illusion on one side of the hypothetical equation then it is most likely an illusion on both sides. "No illusion in victory" sounds to me as an empty slogan. Victory will be measured by the gain in class consciousness and class combativity, not by crosses placed on voting cards. The greatest illusion is that, under bourgeois conditions, the measure of victory can be counted by the votes. What counts is quality, not quantity, the psychological condition of unity and understanding.<br /><br /><br />5. Have Brazil's capitalists ever been keen on accepting compromises? Has the right ever respected election results that go against them? No, to both questions. The bourgeoisie are driven to compromise under conditions of class struggle. The question for us is why, now, do they not feel so driven? One reason is that their room for manoeuvre has shrunk. Compromise has become more dangerous as their profit margins have diminished and competition has become more intense. What is driving the capitalists to ever more dangerous measures such as the coup is that it is faced with an interminable crisis of its own making, one that it has no solution for other than to squeeze every ounce of blood from the working class, no matter that to do so presents ever-increasing risks of a class rebellion. The other side of it is that the class has been effectively demobilised by the reformist beliefs and strategies of its leaders. Dilma had a recent interview with Democracy Now where she rightly pointed out that Lula was never a radical. He is and always was, she said, a centrist. And now, she continued, they have destroyed the centre of Brazilian politics, from PT through to PSDB. And she is correct. Temer is the most despised President in Brazilian history. This is not a mistake or an unfortunate outcome of the coup. It is the coup, a coup in progress, as she said in the interview. And the 2018 election is a coup within the coup, a continual process of fundamentally changing the axis of politics sharply to the right. That is the program.<br /><br />6. Whether Lula stands or not, the coup will not be reversed. Personally, I doubt very much the the support for an imprisoned Lula will stay firm during the rigors of the election campaign when all attention will be on the drama unfolding on the right, all publicity will be given to that and none to an imprisoned and voiceless Lula. A defeat for Lula at the polls would mark a decisive gain for the coup and for the right, consolidating the reactionary trend at a new height. But what if I am wrong? What if Lula were to be elected? Would he be able to take power? Doubtful but possible. Maybe he would be released?? But what could he do, rule by edict? Sure as hell, the left will be defeated in the elections, wiped off the board in many places. How can he rule without Congress? Of course, this is all speculation. But I could not let the idea go without comment, that Lula being allowed to stand would in itself reverse the coup.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431764444700058232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-90404717223508212552018-05-05T23:25:27.274-03:002018-05-05T23:25:27.274-03:00COMMENT by Paul Davidson
Pomar engages in a polem...COMMENT by Paul Davidson<br /><br />Pomar engages in a polemic with Miguel do Rosário with regard election strategy for the 2018 PT campaign. Rosário has proposed Lula stand down in favor of Ciro Gomes, his 'Plan B.' I will not go into that specific proposal nor the details of the polemic. Instead I concentrate on Pomar's position statement, which comes in during the discussion and can be summarised adequately, I feel, as follows:<br /><br />1. The election, without Lula, would be a fraud.<br />2. Only two alternatives, Lula stands OR denounce the fraud<br />3. Denounce the fraud means standing an ‘anti-candidate’<br />4. Anti-candidature means ‘no illusion in victory.’<br />5. The coup revealed Brazil's capitalists don’t want compromise and the right does not respect election results<br />6. 2018 will either reverse this, if Lula stands, or be a ‘coup within a coup.’<br />7. Non-reversal will necessitate a new strategy<br />8. The 2018 elections will best be made a political education opportunity by new and ‘creative’ means rather than by 'traditional' means?<br /><br />Pomar is advocating that Lula's candidacy continues and that should he be disqualified, an 'anti-candidate' should be announced, the purpose of which would be to denounce the election as a fraud. I'd like to address the points outlined above in turn.<br /><br />1. All elections are fraudulent under capitalism. They all need to be denounced for the frauds they are. They offer a semblance of democracy but it is paper thin and most workers see that already. To state, as if it is exceptional that this election would be a fraud, without Lula, is to promote the wrong idea that the previous elections were not frauds but were genuine democracy. This is to sew the very illusion we should be fighting against. What can effectively be pointed to in this particular election is that it is a fraud within a fraud, since the most popular candidature, one moreover that has the support of the entire working class, is being ruled out, thus denying the semblance of democracy they have hitherto kept in place. The fig leaf has been removed. Please don't try to replace it. It is an important fact that Lula's likely removal would be to shatter the last veneer of justice and democracy but let us be clear that it is the veneer that is shattered, not democracy itself.<br /><br />2. "Either Lula stands or denounce the fraud." Are these really alternatives? Why not Lula stand and he denounces the whole set up? After four terms of office everything PT has enabled with regards reforms is being undone, without even a vote. Why not Lula stand to denounce the fraudulent constitution that determines that whichever President is elected, no laws or reforms can be passed without the same corrupt practices taking place that Lava Jato is busy pinning on PT? The whole of government is run on corruption, from top to bottom and the bourgeoisie has a fundamental interest in keeping it that way. Corruption is a class issue. And if Lula is thrown off the electoral list then denounce it as the fraud within a fraud that it is. Say that the last fig leaf has been removed and all that is left is bare-faced and despicable cheek. Show that the capitalists despise the electorate and that the electorate is the people.<br /><br />3. We do not need the 'creative' invention of an "anti-candidate" to denounce this fraud within a fraud. A regular candidate will do, but one resolute in their class-conscious pursuit of justice, someone who will educate and take the class struggle forward. The opportunist Ciro Gomes is not that person, for sure. But to have a Plan B is an excellent idea. Who shall it be? Simply applying the name 'anti-candidate' is surely playing with words when what is really needed is an anti-capitalist candidate.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09431764444700058232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-12524893519561427792018-05-05T21:39:36.501-03:002018-05-05T21:39:36.501-03:00Se o Assanje estivesse preso, não faria o estrago ...Se o Assanje estivesse preso, não faria o estrago que fez. Eu sei o que vocês pensam, mas um Lula exilado seria muito mais útil, para ele para o PT e para esquerda em geral.Não creio que o regime tenha arcado com o onus de prendê-la, para soltá-lo antes da eleição. Deixaremos o Bolsobaro ou Barbosa serem presidentes. Eu me questiono isto todo dia.J. O. Guimarãeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08904698897168431798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-40182500790696371542018-05-05T18:56:27.648-03:002018-05-05T18:56:27.648-03:00Perfeito!
Sem plano B ou qualquer variação.
Lutar ...Perfeito!<br />Sem plano B ou qualquer variação.<br />Lutar pela participação de Lula e LulaLivre!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15001672627096476272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-49476748809270941322018-05-05T13:40:40.707-03:002018-05-05T13:40:40.707-03:00Acho que devemos permanecer com Lula,mas caso ele ...Acho que devemos permanecer com Lula,mas caso ele não possa concorrer, acredito que ele indicará um candidato para o PT e esse candidato chegará ao segundo turnoMarcia Eloyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11271340423310010241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-79168430889882097782018-05-05T13:21:29.031-03:002018-05-05T13:21:29.031-03:00Muito bem eu tambem sou Lula ou nada... o resto é ...Muito bem eu tambem sou Lula ou nada... o resto é legitimar o golpe.Jbmartins-Contra o Golpehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05781033805716148465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-13645996732769625712018-05-05T09:35:51.774-03:002018-05-05T09:35:51.774-03:00Outra resposta ao Sr Miguel do Rosário mais precis...Outra resposta ao Sr Miguel do Rosário mais precisa que esta , só mesmo por um milagre. Eleição sem Lula é fraude. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00491914180432422355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-81589549883723994512018-05-05T08:54:01.017-03:002018-05-05T08:54:01.017-03:00Excelente! Parabéns!Excelente! Parabéns!NORMA VIBIANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06977571671741260707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-6621231641428729862018-05-05T07:38:25.302-03:002018-05-05T07:38:25.302-03:00Perfeito...Parabéns! Perfeito...Parabéns! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797639117219823233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-52403702418586939822018-05-05T01:19:51.026-03:002018-05-05T01:19:51.026-03:00Desistir de Lula é traição dentro do PT e traição ...Desistir de Lula é traição dentro do PT e traição ao campo de resistência histórico contra hegemônico. Só uma esquerda débil se encanta com o discurso fofinho de Ciro. Eu não aguento isso não! Pütz! Brígida Seabra https://www.blogger.com/profile/10439485453779457933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-35444333254137266382018-05-05T00:30:04.858-03:002018-05-05T00:30:04.858-03:00Foi cirurgico!!!! Parabéns!!!!Foi cirurgico!!!! Parabéns!!!!Eli Larahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02718725875881450382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-56857247241059389542018-05-04T23:04:17.419-03:002018-05-04T23:04:17.419-03:00Sensacional! Sensacional! Rodrigo Alcoforadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06964781444126117668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-32248135875513458322018-05-04T22:41:47.966-03:002018-05-04T22:41:47.966-03:00Parabéns.Parabéns.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00036474440743644162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3731234098413884590.post-10001306020497713502018-05-04T21:35:02.778-03:002018-05-04T21:35:02.778-03:00Bravo!!!Bravo!!!GINO GENAROhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17885649877607605096noreply@blogger.com